| NR: |
Laco, please tell us a little of your background and what was your
inspiration to start Sloboda Zvierat (SZ).
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| LD: |
When I finished my schooling, I spent a lot of time outside in nature.
I was thinking about our society and the relationship between plants, animals
and people. I dreamed of creating an organisation which could do something
to improve the lives of animals in our country. After talking about this
with my friends one evening I decided to launch SZ with a big concert in
my hometown, Kosice. We had twenty-six bands and videos about animal rights,
vegetarianism and different environmental issues. We had had very little
exposure to these ideas in Slovakia before then and people were very moved.
After this the word started to get around and people who wanted to do
more for animals started to contact me from around the country. SZ was
born in this way in 1992. |
| NR: |
Today, some three and half years later, how big is your organisation?
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| LD: |
Today, we have around seven thousand members and twenty branches around
the country. We run four shelters for homeless animals and have two centres
manned by sixteen full-time staff members.
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| NR: |
SZ quickly established a reputation for its dynamic and effective campaigns.
What were your first campaigns about?
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| LD: |
We made a secret investigation into one particular slaughterhouse in
Kosice who were killing in a most brutal way. They were killing without
anesthetic, by beating cows on the head with a pickax. We made a protest
outside the ministry and our press release was printed in eight newspapers.
As a result, this slaughter technique was declared illegal throughout the
nation. This was the first time the press wrote about animal protection.
Our members demonstrated against fur shops in twenty four cities. This
also caused a lot of thought and discussion. Then we had a successful campaign
to ban bull fights throughout Czechoslovakia. In 1994, we gathered 75,000
signatures on a petition protesting the use of live animals in school experiments.
After a big rally in front of the ministry of education and a one year
long direct mailing campaign the ministry responded positively and live
experiments were banned in schools throughout the nation. |
| NR: |
It is interesting for me that all of the people I have met so far in
SZ are young and yet you seem to be having a significant effect on your
society and your government.
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| LD: |
Yes, young people are more ready to respond to something that touches
them, or to go out on the street and take action. Our institutions only
respond when they can see something big so we have to give a lot of pressure.
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| NR: |
What work is the organization engaged in today?
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| LD: |
We work in three areas. The first is education. We are running information
campaigns against meat-eating, against fur, against circuses and other
mistreatment of animals. Secondly, we are lobbying the government to create
and strengthen the laws that protect animals. The third part is the shelters
I have mentioned, through which we directly rescue and save lives. The
main shelter is here in Bratislava and there are three others in other
cities.
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| NR: |
After these few years of trying to educate people do you find evidence
that some are changing their behaviour?
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| LD: |
We receive letters every day from people telling us that they have
decided to become vegetarian or that they will stop using fur. Although
we still have a long way to go, already we feel a big change from a few
years ago.
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| NR: |
And with the government?
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| LD: |
We started after the collapse of the totalitarian system when our government
did not know the words "animal protection". They had no idea about dealing
with NGOs either. And we are young. At first they either opposed us or
ignored us. Then we made big demonstrations in front of the ministry of
agriculture demanding laws for animal protection. After our information
started appearing in the newspapers and TV, they had to surrender their
arrogance and deal with us seriously.
In fact, we were invited by them to discuss our proposals when they
prepared the first laws for animals here. Ten out of our thirteen proposals
were accepted and so in 1995 Slovakia became the third Eastern European
state to introduce laws for the protection of animals.
For example, cosmetic and tobacco testing on animals is now completely
banned and no tests are allowed on animals in Slovakia without ministry
approval. Also, cities of over thirty thousand people must manage animal
shelters. |
| NR: |
So then, are you satisfied with the action of the government, or do
you still feel that more is required?
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| LD: |
No, it was only a beginning. The protection for animals in agriculture
is still very poor and there is very little wildlife protection. We want
to see a system of inspectors with more humane attitudes set up by the
government. Now we are consulting with sympathetic lawyers and thinkers
to create more proposals. This will affect the lives of millions of animals
here.
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| NR: |
Have you also been successful in altering the behaviour of businesses
in Slovakia?
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| LD: |
No, not directly.
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| NR: |
Tell us about your Bratislava animal shelter and how it differs from
the normal state-managed facilities.
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| LD: |
The shelter was opened six months ago and has already saved more than
five hundred animals. We have advertised our phone number widely and the
public has been very helpful in rescuing the animals. We have rented billboards
to advertise the shelters number to the public.
The shelter holds around forty animals and we have found new homes for
about four hundred and sixty. We have not found it necessary to kill a
single healthy animal.
This is quite a difference form the record of the city council. Last
year they killed five hundred and eighty animals and provided new homes
for only about eighty. |
| NR: |
What will SZ focus on this year?
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| LD: |
We are preparing to participate in April 24 World Day For Laboratory
Animals. This will help us with our campaign against cosmetic testing which
started on April 24 last year. We also plan to strengthen our branch structure
and get many new members.
Our biggest action will be around World Animals Day, on October 4. We
will tour Slovakia. We will also start a big campaign against Sharha, a
professional company employed here to kill street animals. They kill thousands
every year. |
| NR: |
Fur still seems popular here in Slovakia. Is the fur industry very
powerful?
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| LD: |
Yes, but I think they are becoming afraid of us.
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| NR: |
What relationship do you think humans should have with animals? Do
you think that any uses of animals by humans are justified?
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| LD: |
I think that animals have the right to lead their natural lives without
being exploited by humans. We can live in harmony with all living creatures.
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| NR: |
What about in the case of medical research where it can lead to the
saving of human or animal lives?
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| LD: |
I think the best idea is to use natural cures from flowers, etc., as
was done traditionally. There are societies were the people are vegetarian
and they lead active lives for over one hundred years. We don't need to
use animals for our health.
Modern medicine is mostly just a business to cure people of the diseases
of modern civilisation. We smoke and then we search for drugs to cure our
cancer. This is madness. We must change our lives, not the animals lives. |
| NR: |
Do you see SZ's work as only benefiting animals or do think that humans
also benefit?
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| LD: |
When we protect animals we produce compassion in our hearts and that
makes us and our society healthier in so many ways.
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| NR: |
Where do you get your materials and funding?
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| LD: |
From our members here in Slovakia, but also we have received some money
for specific works from abroad. We correspond with Animal Rights groups
in many countries and receive their printed materials and videos. We ask
for donations of materials and have had a reasonable response. Many of
our staff are volunteers or just work for food money, like myself.
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| NR: |
What recourses do you still need to fulfill your programs?
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| LD: |
To equip one shelter will cost us about (DM 5,000) If we had more money
more we could have more staff. We have no shortage of work. We can always
use more materials from other countries. We need cars to pick up the animals
for our shelters.
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| NR: |
In one line, what is your message?
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| LD: |
Our tears were not enough. It is time for concrete action.
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